Man Who Bound/Gagged Daughter on Facebook is “Devastated” After Arrest

December 23, 2011 By Staff 68 Comments

Andre Curry, the 21-year old man who showed a picture of his daughter with her hands and legs tied up and mouth covered with tape, is “devastated” by his situation. His attorney made those remarks after police began their investigation behind the pictures that Curry posted on his Facebook page. Curry is being charged in Chicago with aggravated domestic battery, a felony.

Curry’s bond has been set at $100,000.

“It’s our belief that after the investigation by the state and DCFS (the Illinois Department of Children and Family Services) is concluded, Andre Curry will be vindicated,” said assistant public defender Anand Sundaram.

There is no history of child abuse, and the girl does not appear to have any injuries, according to police. The child is being checked by a doctor and the family is cooperating with the investigation.

Sundararam says that the case has blown out of proportion after the images went viral on the Internet.

Next to the image, Curry wrote: ”This is wut happens wen my baby hits me back. ”

According to the state’s attorney’s office, the girl in the picture is only 22 months old.

“The photo itself does not tell the story of who our client is and how well he takes care of this child,” said Sundaram.

Curry will not face charges if it can be proven that the girl didn’t suffer any injuries from the incident. At most, prosecutors will seek misdemeanor battery The next court date is December 27.

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Beauty4ashes72

He should be order counseling, parenting classes, and have a social worker involved in with the family for a few years.
blkgalusa

He’s an idiot…he needs to go to jail.
blkgalusa

He’s an idiot…he needs to go to jail.
http://www.corruptpreachers.com/ zombiesnthechurch

“Devastated” what he hell! Somebody need to show this nut real pictures of children that have been gagged, bound, cut-up, shot up, beat up and tossed aside like a dirty rag and he may GET THE PICTURE…because when he posted this one it is obvious—-HE DON T GET IT!
Gvermont

The child should be taken away from that nut. He should not have children at such a young age. Whew! What a waste!!!
ChiTwns Finest

Dr. Boyce, while I truly appreciate you and others in our community taking a stand against the obstacles placed in our way, I can’t understand for the life of me why you aren’t more vocal about what’s wrong with us?! This makes me sick to my stomach! It’s a close second with the killings in our community. These punks don’t get it! There is no way that this little girl can show immediate damage. It may come throughout the years. babies with babies-SMDH

Tom

“ I can’t understand for the life of me why you aren’t more vocal about what’s wrong with us?! “……Because he knows that is he does black people will get angry, his followers would diminish, and his money would go with them. WAKE UP!! Vultures like Watkins and Sharpton make millions blaming the world for the decisions that black people make themselves. The day that black people begin to wake up, take responsibility, and begin to think for their selve is the day these race traitors are out of a job!
Blkqwn7

ChiTF, actually Dr. Boyce is very active in vocalizing what is wrong with us, many of those newsletters and video discussions are not participated by us from this site, the participation is very low.
Blkqwn7

ChiTF, actually Dr. Boyce is very active in vocalizing what is wrong with us, many of those newsletters and video discussions are not participated by us from this site, the participation is very low.

Anonymous

If a man does this to a little kid who is 22 months old, he needs his butt whooped. If this was my child or my grandchild or godkids, I would hurt this man seriously because that is not right for a man to treat a little kid like that. Question: How would you like if I tied you up and put something in your mouth and did you like that? How would you feel? What goes around will come around. And if you can do that to a little kid, you do not need to have kids. You need to try that with a man like me. I love for people to try me and tie me up so I can whip their butts man to man. Think about that. If I were the child mother’s father, I would press charges against your for abusing a little kid.
Anonymous

HAPPY HAPPY HOLIDAYS. Another black person Hits the “for just being black”LOTTERY.
                     In poor taste maybe not funny to others. BUT by all accounts he is a good
                      man (father). So get over your selfs and do something NEW.COGITATE
                     BEFORE YOU TYPE ONE WORD……Have a great day.
Anonymous

HAPPY HAPPY HOLIDAYS. Another black person Hits the “for just being black”LOTTERY.
                     In poor taste maybe not funny to others. BUT by all accounts he is a good
                      man (father). So get over your selfs and do something NEW.COGITATE
                     BEFORE YOU TYPE ONE WORD……Have a great day.

ChiTwns Finest

Really? You’re an idiot. Sad.

Anonymous

You make it too EASILY!!!

Tom

You’re an idiotic loser man. Thanks so much for being another example of ghetto ignorance.

Anonymous

i KNOW it`s the holidays but please put down the brown bag!!!

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HJ257IEWNCIUHS3AND7M2X2ZCQ Trolls Union Local 47

What’s it like being the only sane guy in the mental hospital? When it comes to these hot button issues, the depth of thought capable by the general public surfaces very quickly. I’m not really sure why people prefer prosecuting a case presented by media outlets that make advertising dollars for sensationalized stories, rather than weighing the actual facts of the case. The scarier thing is that local DAs make their decisions to prosecute based on public opinion, for the sake of reelection. It’s a crazy world alright.

Kedra Curry

Tom I agree with you it’s mind frame that has black people in the state they are in. Lost! What is cute or funny and once you post something on a public social site then deal with the outcome cause u leave it open for other people’s opinions. Well I hope he like’s his consequences lol.

Itsoktoshowrespect

What state of mind is that? I’m not sure but are black people the only ones making bad decisions on social sites? Enlighten me; but please Stop the BLACK people stuff.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HJ257IEWNCIUHS3AND7M2X2ZCQ Trolls Union Local 47

Ignorance is prosecuting a crime on the basis of emotion rather than the facts. Using a word like “ghetto” is a hackneyed ad hominem, that will no doubt garner support from similarly like-minded, sub-100 IQ, simpleton citizens, such as yourself, but it only seeks to gain support from racist stereotypes and hatred, rather than the facts of the case. Are we clear?

gg042

I agree.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000006426475 Montely Wilson

Brother, they don’t understand cogitate. Can’t you tell by the knee jerk responses and frothy emotional appeal that seldom suffices. You’re messing with their kangaroo court! But, we both know that it is the idiot that does not think! They just run their mouths and contribute nothing.

Anonymous

I PREFER ignorant to idiot.www.chicagotribune/news/local
They just don`t have the FACTS..! have a great day.

Anonymous

Ignorance in the true sense of the word has lead him down this part.
Anonymous

Ignorance in the true sense of the word has lead him down this part.

http://twitter.com/KedraC Kedra L. Curry

No he is not smart enough cause if he had any sense what sane person would bound and gag their child. I am mother and I find this sick. He put it out there for the world to see now he must deal with it. I feel no pity for fools! We don’t have to accept ignorance just because he is black!

Veronica Oby Waddell

This is pathetic he needs to be gagged, bounded and given a good beat down. What’s even sadder he thought this was cute enough to place on face book, as if he’s doing some thing civilized.Some people use FB to show just how dumb they are, and they don’t realize the Police also have access to FB. Lord help our children and youth. I wonder where was the mother?

Blkqwn7

Amen.
Mdouglas156

When my son was two years old he discovered the joys of tape. He would sneak around the house and try and tape people up. So one day I got him and tape him up just like a little turkey. I have a similar picture to his. I don’t see what the big deal is. Maybe he should have realized that their would have been some small minded individual. who read too much into a picture that was an inside joke between friends and family, that took things too far. I understand that their is a lot of parental neglect and abuse going on but their should be stanrds so that innocents don’t become victims of over-dedicated alarmist.

Wills Woodie

If its truly an ‘inside joke’ don’t be STUPID enough to post it online expecting the whole world to get it. Just another sign of Crack Babies having babies.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_L7ONMGPITX2AX7HEXKFV56TZOU JellyBean

There is no way in the world you can defend stupid. What, oh I am sorry—wut, he did was beyond dumb. There is no word left in the dictionary to describe what he did. This is unreal. Oh this is going to go over very well on Fox News. What is even worse, he is probably getting huge laughs from his peeps over this incident. And this speaks volumes about the lady (mother of child). I feel bad for the child in this situation.
gg042

I don’t agree with his method, but I’m sure he didn’t mean any harm. He was probably doing this as a prank to her. I’m sure he didn’t leave her like this too long. And he took it off as soon as he took the picture. But this goes to show you what happens when you post your personal business on Face Book. Coming from someone who was abused as a child and protective over my siblings, nieces and nephews. My daughter who is a daycare provider. I know abuse when I see it. The charges will be dropped down to a Misdemeanor Battery, and fined with probation. LESSON LEARNED, STAY OFF FACEBOOK.
Blkqwn7

Some sick joke! If he’s that stupid to do something like that to his own child, and then to put it on facebook then the charges should stick, they apply. Blowing it out of proportion! Are they kidding me?? The picture says it all, emotional scarring cannot be seen, until it is too late. Let’s ask the 22 month-old if she thought it was all in the fun. Yeah Casey Anthony was just trying to have fun, and her baby is dead!

Kudos for his facebook friend that call the authorities, you did the right things, but CPS, now they are some sad jokes.
Lpcd2011

Precisely my point about some of the younger generation…mindless, and need to brush up on the english language and grammar! I bet he could not last very long being subdued by tape! Where’s the compassion and love for your infant? He’s got some obvious issues and keeps them hidden through ‘horseplay’ sorry-azz excuses. Better monitor that poor child in the future, or just get him some help quick. That’s no joke, and the lawyer is no help!
Kellz225

This guy was not trying to harm this child and clearly he did not! Yes it’s a bad choice but I have played with my children and done this to them!!! I LOVE MY KIDS MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE IN THE WORLD!!!! This is ridiculous and uncalled for!!! Stop acting as if you have no idea what that emoti at the end of this post means!!!! WASTE OF TAX $$$$!!!! And in Chitown!!! Plenty of real child neglect going on there. I’m willing to bet my house on it!!!

Mfrazier888

You need some parenting classes, too!!!!

http://www.facebook.com/people/Basil-Keilani/664591046 Basil Keilani

I agree. It’s not mature, proper behavior of a parent to do that to a child that young. She was 22 months old. If the child was 10, and the child knew it was part of some game, maybe, but I wouldn’t do that even then. It’s not appropriate. I agree with you, and a 22 month old child won’t understand such things even if you’re kidding. They’re not that developed mentally. Obviously, the parents knows nothing about child psychology. Again, it’s not really appropriate at any age.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HJ257IEWNCIUHS3AND7M2X2ZCQ Trolls Union Local 47

Yet every day, parents make the mistake of feeding honey to a babies (risking botulism infections, and possibly death), they pierce their kids ears, they circumcise their infant sons, they play practical jokes on their kids, they allow their kids to use skateboards without a helmet. Some parents fail to teach their children how to read before kindergarten, they don’t work with their kids on their algebra homework, or help them prepare their SAT exam. Who are you to set an artificial standard of maturity for a parent? What parental benchmarks have you met that make you eminently qualified to make such judgments? Have your kids graduated from Harvard School of Medicine?There is a long list of things parents are allowed to do without risk of losing their children or prison, yet these actions, or lack thereof, may negatively impact the lives of their children. Who are you to set the standard for parental maturity?

http://www.facebook.com/people/Basil-Keilani/664591046 Basil Keilani

I agree. It’s not mature, proper behavior of a parent to do that to a child that young. She was 22 months old. If the child was 10, and the child knew it was part of some game, maybe, but I wouldn’t do that even then. It’s not appropriate. I agree with you, and a 22 month old child won’t understand such things even if you’re kidding. They’re not that developed mentally. Obviously, the parents knows nothing about child psychology. Again, it’s not really appropriate at any age.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Basil-Keilani/664591046 Basil Keilani

I agree. It’s not mature, proper behavior of a parent to do that to a child that young. She was 22 months old. If the child was 10, and the child knew it was part of some game, maybe, but I wouldn’t do that even then. It’s not appropriate. I agree with you, and a 22 month old child won’t understand such things even if you’re kidding. They’re not that developed mentally. Obviously, the parents knows nothing about child psychology. Again, it’s not really appropriate at any age.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Basil-Keilani/664591046 Basil Keilani

I agree. It’s not mature, proper behavior of a parent to do that to a child that young. She was 22 months old. If the child was 10, and the child knew it was part of some game, maybe, but I wouldn’t do that even then. It’s not appropriate. I agree with you, and a 22 month old child won’t understand such things even if you’re kidding. They’re not that developed mentally. Obviously, the parents knows nothing about child psychology. Again, it’s not really appropriate at any age.

Carol

That facebook photo is HORRIBLE……..what on earth was that idiot thinking…………..MY GOD……there is a distinct difference between “playing” and “hurting”……….I hope the father in question does some jail time……gets counseling……..and supervised visits…..although the child does not appear to be physcially hurt in the photo, the fact that it crossed that fool’s mind and then actually gagged and tied his child up is bad enough!
WizardG

Propping Facebook and YouTube stunts to see how many hits and responses people get has already gotten out of hand and caused far too many injuries, physical and mental.

This appears to be merely a stunt, but as you should all know. “Whites” are overzealous about putting “black” people in prison and executing us! Remember ‘Troy Davis’, and understand that according to whites (who already have a preconceived disdain and disgust for us), “we are ignorant monkeys”, and they are always ready to see the worst in us be it fake, fiction, wrong, or right! But what is more frightening than that, is that some of us think exactly like whites, and are just as dangerous to the welfare of black people!
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000006426475 Montely Wilson

I read many good comments here. Actually, they all make valid arguments. However, the ones with heavy emotional appeal indicates more of a knee jerk reaction rather than cogent thinking, but I take those points as well. Although I have never bound and gagged my children for extremely poor and disrespectful behavior, as a parent I would have empathy before condescending indignation. After analysis, I see a misguided parent that made a very poor choice, but the reality of it is if the child continues to develop this behavior a gets arrested in kindergarten for striking the teacher, the same people exhibiting the condescending indignation toward the parent would be showing the same disdain for the school, teacher and law enforcement involved in that type of situation. Or, more likely than not, they would be blaming the parent for not disciplining the child to behave in a more acceptable way. Black children are being arrested at an alarming rate or being discipline for frivolous reason. Like the child that said his teacher was cute!

The young man (21 years-of-age) needs serious parenting education on other forms of behavior modification rather than draconian corporal punishment. All this throw the brother under the bus stuff is just a bunch of useless diatribe. I agree with Kellz225 in that the young man was not trying to harm his child. However, for a 22 month-old child we must be careful with perpetrating such acts toward our children because it only reenforces what they see and/or witness at large in the black community. There are ways to chastise our children and show them the highest love while teaching them dignity through self-monitoring behavior. I am sure this young man has not considered this because his capacity to think in a mature way has not be developed, cultivated and refined. As parents we have the highest calling and we must face that responsibility with the highest endeavors to be successful. If you don’t know, find out and when you do know apply. Knowledge without practical application is useless!

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HJ257IEWNCIUHS3AND7M2X2ZCQ Trolls Union Local 47

What evidence is there that Andre Curry needs “serious parenting education”? In his statement, Curry indicated that the picture was a joke. There is no paradigm for good parenting, or what sort of joking is okay when it comes to kids. You’re setting an artificial threshold for parenting, by assuming he needs counseling. The questions that need to be answered before any action is taken address more global issues regarding the girls overall physical and mental health.

Prosecuting a case against Andre Curry, in order to set an example for “the black community, [at large]” is not in the purview of the courts. Whether or not Andre Curry is prosecuted, and found either guilty, or innocent, is based on the evidence presented against him. The litmus test, however, must surely be whether or not the girl was found to be injured or at high risk for injury, such that without injury or risk of injury, no laws have been broken.

http://www.lafaith.com/ LaFaith Networks

I don’t care how you play with your children, this is not the way! Time Out can be done with a little dignity, not tied up like this. How many times has he done this? and to put this photo on facebook, daddy need to GROW UP! To anyone that think this is a LOL, you just as CRAZY!
Felix Leo Campos

As much an advocate as I am for father’s rights I don’t understand why Curry would bound his daughter in this way to teach a lesson of respecting her elders particularly her parents. As parents, we men, have to understand the current animosity we face as parents and how images and actions such as these are used to enforce negative stereotypes and sexist practices.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Olin-Ross/546574576 Olin Ross

The thing I don’t understand about him is why he put this picture on facebook…It’s a shame the way some folks put their personal business on facebook or other blogs….
Naturfit

this is a waste of time and money… Id do the same thing if any kid hit me… Children need to learn respect young … Id rather punish them now rather than have the NYPD do it
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JF2RD7ULQDB7ZQG625GK7XIH3Y Junior

You have got to be f-ing kiidding me. This idiot’s Attorney says he will be vindicated, after this idiot posts the pictures, and caption talking about this is what happens when my Baby hits me? The child is less than 2 years old, at the age where just a “look” can change situation. People like this IDIOT should not be ALLOWED to have children. Hell, back in the day our parents had the ability (at least mine did), I can remember that even if you weren’t looking at your parents, if they saw YOU, and felt you were about to do something stupid, you felt a cold feeling on the back of your neck, would turn around, saw them looking at you, and you KNEW what that LOOK meant, and you chilled your stupid butt out, or else you knew what was coming. I wish this fool was remotely related to me, by the time I finish with him the Law would feel real bad for him and let him gp because he suffered enough. I am sick of these knuckleheaded people that are sorry excuses for parents.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HJ257IEWNCIUHS3AND7M2X2ZCQ Trolls Union Local 47

This is why people, who go by the name of “Junior” shouldn’t be allowed to sit on juries. Wait for the facts before rushing to judgment. You haven’t asked the more basic questions, such as: is the child healthy? is the child being abused? is her cognitive development age appropriate? is the child emotionally healthy?

We don’t live in society that micro-manages parents, we have laws that safeguard basic protections, but mandating what can be done as a joke is not part of the law. We have neither the time, prison space, or money, to set a precedent for prosecute of this sort of behavior at such a low threshold.
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HJ257IEWNCIUHS3AND7M2X2ZCQ Trolls Union Local 47

This is why people, who go by the name of “Junior” shouldn’t be allowed to sit on juries. Wait for the facts before rushing to judgment. You haven’t asked the more basic questions, such as: is the child healthy? is the child being abused? is her cognitive development age appropriate? is the child emotionally healthy?

We don’t live in society that micro-manages parents, we have laws that safeguard basic protections, but mandating what can be done as a joke is not part of the law. We have neither the time, prison space, or money, to set a precedent for prosecute of this sort of behavior at such a low threshold.

Eugenia

He needs to be charged with injury to a child. What about the psychological set back to this child. This is a baby who needs love and to be protected by those who love her. Also he needs to have strict and supervised visits after extensive parenting classes. Where is the mother? It appears to me that this is not an isolated incident; could it be that he has done this and other unsafe things to this child? As a Healthcare Provider I’m very cautious about the care given to those unable to care for themselves-divasingingforjesus
Anonymous

This child is 22 months old, there were other reasonable displinary measures that could have been used to teach her not to hit back when punished. But to gag and bind this child was very overboard and then to publish it on Facebook! This tells me that the 21 year old father is still a child himself.
Anonymous

Yes, the dad, mom and family need mandatory parenting classes,
the family needs to stay on DCFS watch list, as well!
And I’m appalled at all the folks that think he did nothing harmful
except to post this assault it on Face Book. That child may
be haunted and stunted by this all of her life. Thank God for Face Book,
that the Idiots are posting their crimes and stupidity!

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HJ257IEWNCIUHS3AND7M2X2ZCQ Trolls Union Local 47

YouTube is filled with parents playing pranks on their kids. Families do strange things in the privacy of their homes everyday. If it’s found that there is a pattern of abuse, sure, take the kid away, or require counseling or classes. But until that is established, you’re talking with your emotions rather than what the law allows.

Anonymous

Hey, friend,
I understand what you’re saying, and agree, somewhat. I never said to take the child away, but to monitor the family for an extended time. And what would parenting classes hurt, here?There’s an assumption called ‘the rights and safety of the juvenile’,that must be protected. this child is a human being not an owned possession, but a sovereign human life, with rights. and just becausemany families do such, in the form of enjoyment or a game on Facebook,makes it no more correct. What kind of game would it be if someonehogtied you and gagged you against your will, just for their fun,please let me know?And, let me add this, that I’m a former police officer, and if I sawsuch in the line of duty or out of duty and not taken proper policeaction (like an arrest and call to Family Services), they would’ve taken away my badge, pronto, and put me on charges of not reporting(possible) child abuse.

Anonymous

As a grandmother, I think this guy made a poor discipline choice. It’s not a good idea to bind up a child like that because they hit you back. If there is no evidence of abuse, parenting classes might be in order. He needs to know about other choices that might have been more appropriate.
Jacqueline

He needs to go to jail to teach him a lesson and when he’s in there give him a mental evaluation!!! Even if there was no harm intented for the toddler, this isn’t normal behavior. And to put this on faceback. What did he think people were going to say? Did he think they would laugh and give it a thumbs up?

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HJ257IEWNCIUHS3AND7M2X2ZCQ Trolls Union Local 47

The law isn’t set up to teach people lessons; if it were, our courtrooms and jails would be filled with people making dumb, yet legal, mistakes. The question is, was a law actually broken here? This hasn’t really been established.

Foolish2000_2000

He was just a young stupid father trying to be funny and needs to reprimanded by his parents not the court system!
Mfrazier888

He definitely needs intensive parenting classes, and he’s not alone!

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HJ257IEWNCIUHS3AND7M2X2ZCQ Trolls Union Local 47

You say that as you’re sure what such a course would imbue to its students. I’m sure my standards of parenting, and yours, must differ on a variety of specifics. Yet it is possible that we can both raise well-adjusted and productive citizens. Besides, why do you say “definitely” when the facts have yet to be fully fleshed out?

http://www.facebook.com/people/Basil-Keilani/664591046 Basil Keilani

I don’t think it’s appropriate to do that to your child. I don’t think he should get a felony for that if he wasn’t trying to hurt her and never hurt her, but this is not what a parent should do to a child. And even if it was in jest, he laughed at the idea of how he was supposedly punishing her if she gave him lip and posted it on facebook. Seriously, that’s dumb.
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HJ257IEWNCIUHS3AND7M2X2ZCQ Trolls Union Local 47

Not enough is known about the case. Whether or not charges are filed should be based on the context, i.e., was the child hurt? is there a history of neglect or abuse in the home?, what is the health, development, overall state of the girl? does the bounding of the child happen regularly or was this a one-time prank? To summarily prosecute him because the images are disturbing is not consistent with the law.

Sure we could look at this and think this is no joking matter, but we don’t all have the same sense of humor; culture and humor varies widely among people. As shocking as it is, not everything we do in our homes is consistent with what others do in our society. And not everything done in the American experience is done in other parts of the world, i.e., circumcision, ear piercing.

The bottom line is that the judicial system needs to move prudently on this case, and not be led by public opinion; if the girls overall well being is secured, we don’t have to agree with every action taken by the parent.
Poetee

Lets see, he is 21 and probably still quite immature. Probaly did not mean to harm his child, but to teach her a lesson in not to hit grown folks because the cops will put a cap in her if she hits them and then the usual young black teen girl killed by cop rally drama starts.
Yes, it looks bad, yes he should have probably kept the social media out of his choice of opinion and then be would not suffer in the court of public opinion.
Back I the 60s, had I had te nerve enough to strike the hand that provided for me probaly a real good pop would have resulted and nothing from the public cod have stopped it. Ummmm, let’s see born in a family of 16, lower soicioeconmic neighborhood, parents with no high school education and I some how am a home owner, masters degree, no multiple baby daddy drama- I wonder how the kids from the 60s compare to the Dr treat Your Kids Like Little Aduts generation
Rev Powell

You know if this is his form of discipline that is his prerogative, I am a believer in disciplining our children before the criminal justice system has to do it. I also believe in if you spare the rod you will spoil the child. However I should not have to question his methods if they are kept within the confounds of his home and a midst the family unit and the child is not being harmed other then their little feelings hurt. However he posted this on the internet which causes people to be concerned for the child’s well being and it demands some investigation. This is his fault and people we had better understand the magnitude of the social network, there is no expectation of privacy on the World Wide Web after all it is called World Wide
Pastor Allen K. Powell
Furqanmuhammadakil

He should be devastated and charged even if it is only a misdemeanor! Stupid fool! But then, what can you realistically expect from children having children. (Bet a dollar the young man never completed school and has very low prospects for the future)! SAD!!